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HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

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vor 1 Monat

Hmm, the player below you described it well, high volatility means that it is quite possible that you will have a lot of dead spins but if the game hits a big win, it is usually worth it. 

However, it is gambling and with it comes the risk of losing money. You definitely don't need to play with money you can't afford and you should only spend what you don't feel sorry for.

So even if you had a streak like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that the games are rigged. I've seen a lot of bonuses that were bought for like $1000 and got back $50. It's not unusual, so if you can't afford it, definitely don't spend money on playing slots. 

Jaro
vor 1 Monat

HELLO JARO, IT IS AN ABNORMAL SITUATION FOR ALL 11 PURCHASED GAMES TO MAKE A LOSS. I THINK IT IS AGAINST THE RTP OF THE GAME. I HAVE NEVER SEEN 11 HANDS IN A SEASON WINNER. IF THE GAME IS PAST, 11 PURCHASES AND 11 GAMES ARE LOST IN A ROW. I DON'T THINK THIS MAKE LOGICAL. I WILL REPORT THIS SITUATION TO THE LICENSING COMPANY AND IGAMING. THIS CAN NEVER BE THE GAME'S WRITTEN RTP AND RETURN TO PLAYER RATE


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Kyami
vor 1 Monat

DID YOU SEE THE ONE WHO WON 11 GAMES IN A Row, BROTHER? NO BUT I LOSED 11 GAMES IN A ROW. IF YOU PLAY THIS GAME, HAVE YOU EVER LOST 11 GAMES IN A ROW, EVEN IF YOU MAKE A PROFIT ONCE AGAIN? THERE IS NO VARIATION LIKE THIS, IT IS NOT EARNING HARD, IT IS BEING DECEIVED.











ankaraxxx
vor 1 Monat

If you are going to report it then feel free to let me know what result you got and what they told you. 

As for whether I saw someone who won in 11 bonuses, I can't say exactly, but I know that I saw a player who had a profit from 15 bonuses to 10 a couple of times, which is quite a lot. But a week later he had 10 bonuses and he was minus on all of them, so like I said it's gambling. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes it's like you had it. 

It's certainly not pleasant but if you're going to play you have to be prepared for that scenario. 🤷‍♂️😕

Jaro
vor 1 Monat

HELLO, I COMPLAINED WITH ONE OF THESE SITES TO THE TER WHO LICENSED THE SITE. THEY SENT AN EMAIL THAT PRAGMATIC PLAY DETERMINES THE RTP RATES OF THE BETTING SITE WITH THEIR GAME HISTORIES AND SHARED MY GAME DATA. IT IS ACTUALLY PROOF OF HOW THEY INTERVENE IN THESE GAMES. THEY HAVE A PANEL AND THERE ARE YOUR EARNING STATISTICS, BUT I NEVER CRIED ABOUT SUCH WINNINGS IN THE GATE OF 1000 GAME THAT HE SHARED. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE LICENSING COMPANY THAT THIS IS EVIDENCE AND I AM SENDING THEIR RESPONSE TO YOU.


 Dear Executive,


You have not provided Curaçao eGaming ("CEG") and/or the Player with an update regarding this complaint within seven days of the previous notice. This means that the operator is now in material breach of the IP-agreement with CEG. The operator is now granted three more working days before CEG shall make a preliminary ruling in this matter. This could mean that CEG may decide in favour of the Player.

 


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ankaraxxx
vor 1 Monat

Thanks for forwarding me the answer. When did it happen ? At the time you posted here ? I see that the casino probably has a few more days to reply to you and I'm curious how this will all end. Definitely let me know if anything changes, I'm quite interested.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. 🤞

vor 1 Monat

Heute mal wieder auf Cashwin.com Big Bass Bonanza und Christmas gespielt. 11 mal auf 1 Euro Freispiele mit ein Gewinn von 146 Euro sonst alle anderen unter 40 Euro.

5 mal auf 2 Euro mit einen Höchstgewinn von 76 Euro.

1 mal auf 1,20 4 Scatter mit mal 2 Runde 27 Euro.

Alle anderen Freispiele auf 80 und 90 Cent liefen genau so.

Und es gibt tatsächlich weiter Menschen die sagen es ist ein Glücksspiel und Pragmatic play hat ein legalen Zufallsprinzip am laufen.

Nix haben die!

Sonst kann man sowas tatsächlich erklären. Einmal , 2 mal verstehe ich aber doch nicht 1000 mal.

vor 1 Monat

Hello I just want to say that I finally win some decent amount with pragmatic .. i made at least 6 withdrawl in the last 3 weeks .. (CAD$) 600$650$2000$ 1500$ 1000$ and 1250$ Some good money .. I need to give them credit for this because I made a comment about them on this trend.. but you need to know I play this since a couple of months and I made some little withdrawls only .. it is rigged ? I honestly believe that these games are rigged but they will pay you at some point and I think that some casino site place the RTP very low manually .. you can see a good online casino when they do fast withdrawl and you can see when they are bad too they take a lot of time to proceed your withdrawl and they find all reasons only to keep the money .. they wish that you will cancel the withdral and keep playing with the money be careful where you play find a good one with high RTP and fast payout

vor 1 Monat

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From 1000 euro to 100 euro on sweet bonanza by scamatic play. What a puke. Pathetic s*it! 😉

koVVal92
vor 1 Monat

I think I already asked you that. Why do you keep biting on the pragmatic if you then come up with screenshots like this ? Is it necessary for you to lose money or how should I understand it ?

vor 2 Wochen

Pragmatic hat seinen Namen nach jedem Skandal mehrmals geändert. „Pragmatic" ist offensichtlich Letzteres. Die letzte Namensänderung erfolgte, weil der Besitzer beim Stehlen des progressiven Jackpots erwischt wurde. Ich weiß nicht genau, was das Schema war, niemand weiß es genau. Was bekannt ist, ist, dass er seine engen Freunde gesponsert hat, von denen einer sogar sein Leibwächter war. Dementsprechend beginnen diese Leute, sich zu drehen, bis sie den progressiven Jackpot gewinnen, und warten dann darauf, dass er sich wieder ansammelt. Es ist keine Art von Diebstahl oder Betrug, aber es ist falsch. Dementsprechend erwarten wir, dass diese Person ehrlich ist, was naiv ist …

Ich habe mehrere Vorfälle erlebt, die mir persönlich (in meinen Augen) zu 100 % beweisen, dass Online-Glücksspiele manipuliert sind. An manchen Orten ist das sicherlich der Fall. In welchem genauen Ausmaß das der Fall ist, kann ich nicht wissen ... Aber die Geschichte ist lang, ich kann sie erklären, wenn es jemanden interessiert.

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vor 2 Wochen

Außerdem wurde von Pragmatic zunächst abgestritten, dass der RTP von Pragmatic-Slots von den Casinos angepasst werden kann. Dann gaben sie zu, dass es Anpassungen gab, aber nur innerhalb weniger Prozent. Untypisches Verhalten für ehrliche Menschen. Offensichtlich...

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IIIIII
vor 2 Wochen

Hmm, do you have any proof or an article or something that confirms what you say ? I'd be quite interested in that jackpot situation as well. 

As for the RTP, I know that casinos can choose some version, but they certainly can't adjust it how and when they want. That's at least my knowledge in this area. 

vor 2 Wochen

Welche Beweise fordern Sie immer wieder? Wir sind nicht vor Gericht. Haben Sie Beweise dafür, dass die Spiele fair sind? Lassen Sie mich Ihnen auf die gleiche Weise antworten. Wer recherchiert schon, es gibt Videos und Artikel im Internet, es ist ja nicht so, dass ich sie behalte.

Pragmatic sagte, dass es eine Option gibt, den RTP in mehreren Prozentschritten anzupassen. Ungefähr 96 % oder so viel, sagen wir mal, bis zu mindestens 90 %. Ich erinnere mich nicht genau. So in der Art, wie ich sagte, ich habe nur Informationen geteilt, mich interessieren verschiedene Streitigkeiten nicht, Beweise werden vor Gericht vorgelegt, nicht hier. Und wo sind Ihre? Wie genau dieser RTP manipuliert wird und von wem, kann ich nicht wissen. Nun, Sie sind besser informiert. Als besser informiert wissen Sie wahrscheinlich, dass überall „max RTP to Slots" steht. Was im Grunde Betrug ist … Natürlich von Seiten des Casinos. Nicht von Pragmatic. Nicht in diesem Fall …

Ich werde etwas finden, das ich zeigen kann. Nicht jetzt, ich habe jetzt keine Zeit. Aber dieser „Beweis", das ist einfach lächerlich, welchen „Beweis" wollen Sie? Zeigen Sie mir Ihren … Sie fangen an, wie diese Betrüger zu klingen. „Zeigen Sie mir den Beweis" …

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vor 2 Wochen

And this is a scam. He can give money to his friends, to play for the jackpot, this is not a scam, not cool though. But probably he was using his own platform. There are so many casinos, probably one or more of these are his...

IIIIII
vor 2 Wochen

So I came across that you said "owner stole a progressive jackpot" if you say something like that, you don't just say it into the air. 

As for the RTP, I agree that if the casino has adjusted it to less from the beginning, then it is not right to show a higher value because that would be cheating for me too. Proof I just wanted to add to what I already wrote in my first sentence, I also said it would be interesting to see. As for RTP, I know it can be as you write and not every casino is honest. So you don't have to be defensive right away, but we can discuss it calmly without you having to call me a scammer. 🙂

vor 2 Wochen

Yes, he "stole" the jackpot, but no one can proof that. Even FBI..How they can do that? It's impossible...If FBI can't find a "proof" , how can I do that? Can you find a proof for the opposite?

Those casinos are not at his name. Still they are his casinos. He is not an idiot. He is much clever than you and me for example..


They can ask them "Why this no one, this bodyguard have so much money?", "Show us how you earn those money, you are a criminal". "No, Im not, I have a rich friends, they give it to me, is this against the law? To take money from someone, so ask him." And they "Why you give so much money to this guy? And why he play at your slots" , "I give some money to my friend, he can do whatever he want to do with this money"..And that's it. It's not Russia or something, mate, they can't do sh1t about this scam.


The people started to talk about this and he changed the name to "Pragmatic". And he we are , playing the slots of the owner, who is a scammer. Are they rigged? Who knows..No one knows. But it's more likely they are rigged. Than not..I mean the chances are bigger than a random game provider. He is a criminal. With a criminal mindset..Not like you. You are not a criminal, what's why is so hard for you to believe. But that's the reality, sorry, if you don't like it. No one likes this. They still play those slots, those people, because they don't want to believe as well. They are not sure..No one know for sure.

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IIIIII
vor 2 Wochen

This is the issue with viewpoints on practically every unfair facet of gambling. Ultimately, the proof is the only thing lacking. I know you are really worried about what you say, but without concrete evidence, words are just words. Maybe you should look for something worthy of your trust; if you generally do not think casinos are reliable and slots are random, this is something worth a try. Don't believe in streamers? Don't follow them.

In any case, that is what I would do.

I agree many things seem shady in this world run by money; I would prefer not to be consumed by the uncertainty, however. Better to leave something I probably can't change.

For instance, I honestly don't believe casinos need to temper with slots; some providers even offer scaled RTP values for the very same games, and if someone wins, I'd say it's easier to find any kind of rule violation in order to void the winnings. But I think this is out of the topic.


I'm not quite familiar with the rest of the post, I'm sorry. I'll leave that aside for now.

vor 2 Wochen

I can say a lot about this. And I mean A LOT. But shortly, "most of the games are NOT rigged" . It's impossible for most of them to be rigged. And it's impossible for all them to be fair. However , if there are some rumors for some casino or provider been "rigged", then avoid this. Why not? There are so many providers and houses..What do you lose, if you change the provider? Are they offer something unique? Some unique "experience"? No, they not..So why you play there? What is wrong with you?

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