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vor 3 Monaten

Eigentlich wollte ich nichts mehr dazu schreiben aber hier nochmal ein Beitrag über die Erfahrung die ich leider in den letzten 3 Tage gesammelt habe. Über Jahren spiele ich meistens nur die 2 Spiele : Big Bass Bonanza und Christmas. Alleine nur Gestern, habe ich auf die beiden mindestens 20 mal auf 2 Euro und 3 Euro Freispiele bekommen. Jedes mal , aber jedes Mal kam der erste Angler nach der 7 Drehung. Ob ich 15 oder 10 Freispiele hatte, war egal. Jedes mal nach der 7 Drehung . Gewinn Jedes mal unter 100 Euro. Auf Big Bass Halloween ca 10 mal auf 1,50 und 1,80, nicht einmal über 100 Euro. Auf Tropicana 5 mal auf 2,40 , 5 mal auf 1,20 und 5 mal auf 0,96 Euro, nicht einmal über 50 Euro. Ein einziges Mal bei dem ganzen Freispielen oben und andere mindestens 20 25 auf Einsätze von 1 Euro , 1,20 usw bin ich bis mal 3 Runde angekommen, der Gewinn 87 Euro. Das soll Zufallsprinzip sein ? Freispielen in wert von über 10000 Euro mit mehr als 80% in deren Tasche und den gleichen billigen Gewinn und genau den Gleichen Abluaf ? Nein, es hat nicht mit Zufallsprinzip zu tun. Es ist einfach ein sehr schlauen Gamesanbieter der bei jeder von uns bezogen auf die Spielart alles einstellt. In 2 Jahre habe ich tausende von Freispiele gehabt und nicht einmal , aber nicht einmal dieser dicken Fisch 2000x gewonnen. Jedes mal Gewinn 10x 12x oder schlechter. In 50 Freispielen vielleicht einmal dass ich 200 mehr gewinne als der typische Gewinn. Und es sind noch paar Menschen die hier schreiben es soll mit Glück was zu tun haben ? Wie ist es möglich dass ich jedes Mal weiß nach 1 2 Drehung ganz genau wie der Rest abläuft? Weil es mit Glück zu tun hat oder mit Zufallsprinzip? Natürlich nicht weil alles eine Einstellung hat die ganz genau weißt dass wir nach paar kleine Gewinne alles weiter spielen und eventuell noch mehr einzahlen. Wenn also noch einer hier schreiben sollte , es ist ein Glücksspiel usw der ist sicher nicht ganz sauber. Danke

vor 3 Monaten

Noch mal eine Ergänzung, gestern für ca 400 Euro Einzahlungen habe ich mehrmals wieder auf 2 Euro, 1,50 usw Freispiele auf Big bass bonanza und christmas, einmal waren 150 Euro sonst alle unter 50. Ganze Geld natürlich weg. Von gestern Abend bis vor kurzem 600 Euro eingezahlt , 2 x Freispiele auf 1 Euro. Natürlich beides mal ersten Angler nach dem 7 Spin , Gewinn 28 Euro. Weiter wollen welche erzählen dass der casino cashwin.com und pragmatic keine Betrüger sind? Spiele in Wert von über 30000 Euro in 7 Tage und jedes Mal das gleiche.

vor 3 Monaten

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I guess they started reading our posts on casino guru. The series of wins over the last two weeks was something incredible and indescribable. From deposits totaling approximately EUR 400, the total winnings amount to over EUR 10,000. I lost everything to zero, because when you want to keep playing and build balance, the casino will definitely tell you no and take away all your funds. It has always been so and will be so forever. I don't want to favor any casino, but at Betunlim I had the most epic wins of my life. Try to play from Saturday to Sunday. Then a lot of people play and the chances for epic hits are the highest, in my opinion.

vor 3 Monaten

Noch mal eine Ergänzung, gestern für ca 400 Euro Einzahlungen habe ich mehrmals wieder auf 2 Euro, 1,50 usw Freispiele auf Big bass bonanza und christmas, einmal waren 150 Euro sonst alle unter 50. Ganze Geld natürlich weg. Von gestern Abend bis vor kurzem 600 Euro eingezahlt , 2 x Freispiele auf 1 Euro. Natürlich beides mal ersten Angler nach dem 7 Spin , Gewinn 28 Euro. Weiter wollen welche erzählen dass der casino cashwin.com und pragmatic keine Betrüger sind? Spiele in Wert von über 30000 Euro in 7 Tage und jedes Mal das gleiche.

vor 3 Monaten

I don't understand one thing. If you have this opinion and you are not doing well and you think that pragmatic is a bad provider and you don't get free spins or it's only once in a while, or even if you do get it, it always pays so little, why do you keep playing on these slots ? I have a feeling that you are going against yourself and it makes absolutely no sense to lose money on something that has somehow been verified by your own judgement. 

vor 3 Monaten

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I guess they started reading our posts on casino guru. The series of wins over the last two weeks was something incredible and indescribable. From deposits totaling approximately EUR 400, the total winnings amount to over EUR 10,000. I lost everything to zero, because when you want to keep playing and build balance, the casino will definitely tell you no and take away all your funds. It has always been so and will be so forever. I don't want to favor any casino, but at Betunlim I had the most epic wins of my life. Try to play from Saturday to Sunday. Then a lot of people play and the chances for epic hits are the highest, in my opinion.

vor 3 Monaten

I guess it's the first time I see that you have such screenshots and I'm sure glad if you managed to win. The other side of the coin is that you probably lost it all back, which is pretty sad, because you don't have to win that kind of money in a casino. 

But I'm pleased that it's not just about how bad everything is.

vor 2 Monaten

HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

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vor 2 Monaten

PLEASE DONT GAMBLE ANYONE. GAMBLING IS FINANCIAL RUIN. I HATE GAMBLING SO MUCH. STAKE CASINO AND PRAGMATIC PLAY ARE BIG FRAUDS. YESTERDAY I LOST 82$ IN PRAGMATIC PLAY WITH NO BONUS.

kabcd42
vor 2 Monaten

Wie du schon sagst ist es Glücksspiel demnach braucht man auch Glück, man sollte nicht sein wichtiges Geld verspielen sondern lediglich das was man übrig hat wenn man dieses Hobby ausübt.

ankaraxxx
vor 2 Monaten

Die meisten Spiele von Pragmatic sind ziemlich Volatil daher ist es schwieriger dort zu gewinnen.

vor 2 Monaten

Volatile = honest way of scamming

Kyami
vor 2 Monaten

Hobby leads to addiction

Addiction leads to financial ruin

kabcd42
vor 2 Monaten

Both of your posts sound like you have quite a deep opinion on how it works. Do you care to be more specific by chance?

I also know quite a good saying, though:

"Generalization undermines objectivity, and the absence of objectivity undermines the idea."

I bet we can delve into details, though I'll leave that to you. 🙏

vor 2 Monaten

Hobby leads to addiction

Addiction leads to financial ruin

vor 2 Monaten

Strong-minded people are, from my experience, perfectly suitable to have hobbies without this side effect.

I prefer not to tend to simplify everything into a fancy verse. Perhaps you have some live experience worth sharing. Do you, by any means, need some support?

vor 2 Monaten

HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

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vor 2 Monaten

Hmm, the player below you described it well, high volatility means that it is quite possible that you will have a lot of dead spins but if the game hits a big win, it is usually worth it. 

However, it is gambling and with it comes the risk of losing money. You definitely don't need to play with money you can't afford and you should only spend what you don't feel sorry for.

So even if you had a streak like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that the games are rigged. I've seen a lot of bonuses that were bought for like $1000 and got back $50. It's not unusual, so if you can't afford it, definitely don't spend money on playing slots. 

Jaro
vor 2 Monaten

HELLO JARO, IT IS AN ABNORMAL SITUATION FOR ALL 11 PURCHASED GAMES TO MAKE A LOSS. I THINK IT IS AGAINST THE RTP OF THE GAME. I HAVE NEVER SEEN 11 HANDS IN A SEASON WINNER. IF THE GAME IS PAST, 11 PURCHASES AND 11 GAMES ARE LOST IN A ROW. I DON'T THINK THIS MAKE LOGICAL. I WILL REPORT THIS SITUATION TO THE LICENSING COMPANY AND IGAMING. THIS CAN NEVER BE THE GAME'S WRITTEN RTP AND RETURN TO PLAYER RATE


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Kyami
vor 2 Monaten

DID YOU SEE THE ONE WHO WON 11 GAMES IN A Row, BROTHER? NO BUT I LOSED 11 GAMES IN A ROW. IF YOU PLAY THIS GAME, HAVE YOU EVER LOST 11 GAMES IN A ROW, EVEN IF YOU MAKE A PROFIT ONCE AGAIN? THERE IS NO VARIATION LIKE THIS, IT IS NOT EARNING HARD, IT IS BEING DECEIVED.











ankaraxxx
vor 2 Monaten

If you are going to report it then feel free to let me know what result you got and what they told you. 

As for whether I saw someone who won in 11 bonuses, I can't say exactly, but I know that I saw a player who had a profit from 15 bonuses to 10 a couple of times, which is quite a lot. But a week later he had 10 bonuses and he was minus on all of them, so like I said it's gambling. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes it's like you had it. 

It's certainly not pleasant but if you're going to play you have to be prepared for that scenario. 🤷‍♂️😕

Jaro
vor 2 Monaten

HELLO, I COMPLAINED WITH ONE OF THESE SITES TO THE TER WHO LICENSED THE SITE. THEY SENT AN EMAIL THAT PRAGMATIC PLAY DETERMINES THE RTP RATES OF THE BETTING SITE WITH THEIR GAME HISTORIES AND SHARED MY GAME DATA. IT IS ACTUALLY PROOF OF HOW THEY INTERVENE IN THESE GAMES. THEY HAVE A PANEL AND THERE ARE YOUR EARNING STATISTICS, BUT I NEVER CRIED ABOUT SUCH WINNINGS IN THE GATE OF 1000 GAME THAT HE SHARED. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE LICENSING COMPANY THAT THIS IS EVIDENCE AND I AM SENDING THEIR RESPONSE TO YOU.


 Dear Executive,


You have not provided Curaçao eGaming ("CEG") and/or the Player with an update regarding this complaint within seven days of the previous notice. This means that the operator is now in material breach of the IP-agreement with CEG. The operator is now granted three more working days before CEG shall make a preliminary ruling in this matter. This could mean that CEG may decide in favour of the Player.

 


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ankaraxxx
vor 2 Monaten

Thanks for forwarding me the answer. When did it happen ? At the time you posted here ? I see that the casino probably has a few more days to reply to you and I'm curious how this will all end. Definitely let me know if anything changes, I'm quite interested.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. 🤞

vor 2 Monaten

Heute mal wieder auf Cashwin.com Big Bass Bonanza und Christmas gespielt. 11 mal auf 1 Euro Freispiele mit ein Gewinn von 146 Euro sonst alle anderen unter 40 Euro.

5 mal auf 2 Euro mit einen Höchstgewinn von 76 Euro.

1 mal auf 1,20 4 Scatter mit mal 2 Runde 27 Euro.

Alle anderen Freispiele auf 80 und 90 Cent liefen genau so.

Und es gibt tatsächlich weiter Menschen die sagen es ist ein Glücksspiel und Pragmatic play hat ein legalen Zufallsprinzip am laufen.

Nix haben die!

Sonst kann man sowas tatsächlich erklären. Einmal , 2 mal verstehe ich aber doch nicht 1000 mal.

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