same explanation as in previous messages I've seen being recommended in the thread! I mentioned that the transactions are illegal as it contains a merchant code that also bypasses blocks set on cards in relation to gambling transactions and I have not received any service from them.. has anyone else experienced this?? I need HELP!
Ich warte GEDULDIG darauf, dass meine Bank mich kontaktiert ... Ich denke darüber nach, es selbst zu tun, bevor sie es tun. Solange Sie ehrlich waren, sollten Sie sich keine Sorgen machen. Sie können jetzt nicht auf Ihr Bankkonto zugreifen? Und haben Sie Dateien gesendet und die Unternehmen kontaktiert?
The money that we have received from the casino, they can ask us to return it, just as we are asking for money for a service that we have not consumed, apart from the fact that they can report us for attempted fraud..
Ich hoffe, dass es niemandem so schlecht geht, dass er eine Rückbuchung bei einem Casino veranlasst, welches die Gewinne dennoch ausgezahlt hat.
Well, saying that you havent received any service from them is not true If you have received the deposit into your casino account. They have acted as a payment processor/payment gateway to the casino. That is not illegal per se. So if the casino has received your payment, you have received their (the payment gateways) service. And by saying otherwise to your bank, you are attempting fraud (försök till bedrägeri).
Misclassification of MCC codes are, as I understand it, not illegal either. Yes it is against Mastercard and VISAs policies and terms, and can lead to suspension and fees imposed by VISA/Mastercard to the merchant. It is also in general skechy and if it would be thorougfully invested it often has connection to money laundering (which is illegal). But I doubt misclassification of MCC codes is an actual crime.
Well, saying that you havent received any service from them is not true If you have received the deposit into your casino account. They have acted as a payment processor/payment gateway to the casino. That is not illegal per se. So if the casino has received your payment, you have received their (the payment gateways) service. And by saying otherwise to your bank, you are attempting fraud (försök till bedrägeri).
Misclassification of MCC codes are, as I understand it, not illegal either. Yes it is against Mastercard and VISAs policies and terms, and can lead to suspension and fees imposed by VISA/Mastercard to the merchant. It is also in general skechy and if it would be thorougfully invested it often has connection to money laundering (which is illegal). But I doubt misclassification of MCC codes is an actual crime.
No, but doing so in order to bypass laws prohibiting illegal online gambling is illegal.
Er meint wahrscheinlich, dass er keine Waren von ihnen gekauft hat. Und das stimmt.
Well, saying that you havent received any service from them is not true If you have received the deposit into your casino account. They have acted as a payment processor/payment gateway to the casino. That is not illegal per se. So if the casino has received your payment, you have received their (the payment gateways) service. And by saying otherwise to your bank, you are attempting fraud (försök till bedrägeri).
Misclassification of MCC codes are, as I understand it, not illegal either. Yes it is against Mastercard and VISAs policies and terms, and can lead to suspension and fees imposed by VISA/Mastercard to the merchant. It is also in general skechy and if it would be thorougfully invested it often has connection to money laundering (which is illegal). But I doubt misclassification of MCC codes is an actual crime.
Ja, es ist illegal, als Drittpartei zu agieren, es sei denn, der Name des Hauptgeschäfts ist direkt vor oder nach der Drittpartei verbunden
Es gibt also nichts, was ihr Verhalten entschuldigen könnte. Wenn das der Fall wäre, wäre der Händlercode für Spiele nicht gesperrt worden
Yes -in the country of jurisdiction. But If the casino is not licensed in that country, it would be very hard to charge them with anything. Especially since 99,9% of all unlicensed casinos T&Cs state that it is the players responsibility to conduct to any local laws and regulations prohibiting gambling.
no matter how you twist and turn it, it still looks like money laundering through the majority of these companies, maybe not all, but a large part.
Das ist allerdings nicht das, was Sie sagen, wenn Sie eine Kreditkartenbeschwerde einreichen, weil Sie „keine Waren/Dienstleistungen erhalten" haben. Sie sagen damit, dass Sie das gekaufte Produkt oder die Dienstleistung nicht erhalten haben. Was leider der Fall ist, wenn Sie die Casino-Einzahlung erhalten haben.
Sie sagte bei der Bank: Wenn nicht alle Optionen enthalten sind, können Sie dies stattdessen in einer PDF-Datei erklären.
Dann kaufen Sie keinen Service „Rechtsdienstleistungen in Afrika", sondern es ist eine Casino-Einzahlung. Es geht nicht Hand in Hand, hehehe
Thank you for that clarification.
I see that you are from UK -can you please explain what "gambling blocks" refers too, formally? In Sweden we are not able to block ourselves via our Banks against gambling transactions, why I wonder if it would be considered the same here. It either isnt illegal to play at unlicensed casinos.
Können Sie angeben, gegen welches Gesetz/welchen Paragraphen sie verstoßen? Das wäre großartig, wenn Sie Recht haben.
In the end, at least in my case, I have been given the OK to carry out these transactions.
And what they are trying to do is a fraud because we have received that money from the casino. I am not on one side or the other but I am afraid that the casino will make me return the money that I have received from them just as I ask the merchant to return it to me.
Hast du Angst ?
I totally agree, and I am certain that 99% of these casinos are connected to all kind of criminal activity and money laundering. But keep in mind that financial criminality is something that all governments with numerous employed lawyers, financial experts etc. battle every day but even for them it is hard to get to these companies. So whatever you and me feel/think we cant just go to the bank and say "hey, these guys are money laundering scum bags and therefor I have the right to get my deposit backs". It doesnt work that way even of it would be fantastic if it would.
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